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Если мы говорим о постоянном обновлении клеток и тканей, не позволяющих человеку умирать, означает ли это, что человек не будет также болеть и стареть? Насколько широки возможности физического обновления -- сможет ли человек отращивать себе новые зубы, ампутированные конечности, пропитую печень, отбитую селезенку, некротизированные куски мозгов? Станет ли безопасным для человека постоянно экспериментировать с токсинами и канцерогенами -- курить, пить, закидываться наркотой, пить метиловый спирт, работать на сколько угодно опасных производствах, облучаться радиацией? В каком конкретно физическом состоянии установится стабильный баланс и наступит та самая "вечность" -- детства, молодости, зрелости, старости, глубокой старости? Будет ли человек способен бесконечно размножаться и быть одинаково физически и ментально продуктивным всю эту "вечность"? Что будет происходить с нервной системой и системой знаний человека, живущего вечно, будет ли он страдать от накопления бесконечного количества информации и впечатлений или получать преимущества от этого (хотите ли вы жить вечно, всегда помня о том, как вас унижали в школе и какой уебищный у вас был первый секс? хотите ли вы жить вечно, но при этом все так же страдать от бессонницы, геморроя и герпеса, как сейчас? хотите ли вы жить вечно, но никого не любить и не быть любимым? хотите ли вы жить вечно, но ощущать себя все такой же бездарностью, не умеющим реализовать себя и не находящим интересной работы для себя? хотите хотите ли вы жить вечно, но неизбежно присоединять к своему вечному организму разнобразные хронические неизлечимые инфекции -- вирусный гепатит, ВИЧ, малярия? хотите ли вы жить вечно, но с той же депрессией и постоянно накапливающимся грузом обид, разочарований, непонимания, одиночества?)? Будет ли опция вечной жизни доступна только отдельным людям (и какой тогда жуткий социальный дисбаланс возникнет в обществе) или всем (и как тогда планета стремительно захлебнется от перенаселения и истощения ресурсов)? Какова вероятность того, что в обществе "вечных людей" будут постоянные войны, голодоморы, геноциды с целью уменьшения популяции искусственными способами?

И так далее, много интересных вещей.

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Зря того китайского учёного прессуют за генные модификации человека. Этика-шметика, понавыдумывали сами себе шоры :)","noid":null,"poster":"mi3ch","stime":"today","below":null,"ctime":"January 4 2020, 11:11:55 UTC","deleted_poster":null,"massactions":0,"deleted":0,"etime":null,"ctime_ts":1578136315,"subclass":null,"suspended":null,"margin":0,"leafclass":null,"is_best":0,"tracked":0},{"userpic":"https://l-userpic.livejournal.com/61617696/9369735","uname":"kill_o_metr","loaded":1,"statprefix":"https://l-stat.livejournal.net","deepLevel":0,"talkid":2141230,"controls":null,"siteroot":"https://www.livejournal.com","ipaddr":null,"parent":0,"subject":"","is_promo":0,"username":[{"journal_url":"https://kill-o-metr.livejournal.com/","striked":null,"journaltype":"P","userhead_url":"https://l-stat.livejournal.net/img/userinfo_v8.svg?v=17080?v=372","color":null,"noctxpopup":0,"side_alias":0,"journal":"kill_o_metr","inline_css":0,"attrs":null,"is_identity":0,"bold":1,"show_userhead":1,"username":"kill_o_metr","user_alias":"","profile_url":"https://kill-o-metr.livejournal.com/profile","alias":0}],"thread":548155006,"level":1,"dname":"kill_o_metr","shown":1,"collapsed":0,"actions":[{"allowed":1,"href":"https://mi3ch.livejournal.com/4698494.html?replyto=548155006","name":"reply","title":"Reply","footer":1},{"allowed":1,"href":"https://mi3ch.livejournal.com/4698494.html?thread=548155006#t548155006","name":"permalink","title":"link"},{"allowed":1,"href":"https://mi3ch.livejournal.com/4698494.html?thread=548155006#t548155006","name":"collapse","title":"Collapse"},{"allowed":1,"href":"https://mi3ch.livejournal.com/4698494.html?thread=548155006#t548155006","name":"expand","title":"Expand"}],"p_tracked":0,"commenter_journal_base":"https://kill-o-metr.livejournal.com/","lj_statprefix":"https://l-stat.livejournal.net","dtalkid":548155006,"etime_ts":null,"thread_url":"https://mi3ch.livejournal.com/4698494.html?thread=548155006#t548155006","above":null,"upictitle":"kill_o_metr: pic#61617696","article":"странно что никто до сих пор не вспомнил вот это:
«Люди не хотят жить вечно, люди просто не хотят умирать»
(С. Лем)","noid":null,"poster":"mi3ch","stime":"today","below":null,"ctime":"January 4 2020, 11:19:56 UTC","deleted_poster":null,"massactions":0,"deleted":0,"etime":null,"ctime_ts":1578136796,"subclass":null,"suspended":null,"margin":0,"leafclass":null,"is_best":0,"tracked":0},{"userpic":"https://l-userpic.livejournal.com/114835284/19820026","uname":"pavsikakiy","loaded":1,"statprefix":"https://l-stat.livejournal.net","deepLevel":0,"talkid":2141232,"controls":null,"siteroot":"https://www.livejournal.com","ipaddr":null,"parent":548155006,"subject":"","is_promo":0,"username":[{"journal_url":"https://pavsikakiy.livejournal.com/","striked":null,"journaltype":"P","userhead_url":"https://l-stat.livejournal.net/img/userinfo_v8.svg?v=17080?v=372","color":null,"noctxpopup":0,"side_alias":0,"journal":"pavsikakiy","inline_css":0,"attrs":null,"is_identity":0,"bold":1,"show_userhead":1,"username":"pavsikakiy","user_alias":"","profile_url":"https://pavsikakiy.livejournal.com/profile","alias":0}],"thread":548155518,"level":2,"dname":"pavsikakiy","shown":1,"collapsed":0,"actions":[{"allowed":1,"href":"https://mi3ch.livejournal.com/4698494.html?replyto=548155518","name":"reply","title":"Reply","footer":1},{"allowed":1,"href":"https://mi3ch.livejournal.com/4698494.html?thread=548155518#t548155518","name":"permalink","title":"link"},{"allowed":1,"href":"https://mi3ch.livejournal.com/4698494.html?thread=548155518#t548155518","name":"collapse","title":"Collapse"},{"allowed":1,"href":"https://mi3ch.livejournal.com/4698494.html?thread=548155518#t548155518","name":"expand","title":"Expand"}],"p_tracked":0,"commenter_journal_base":"https://pavsikakiy.livejournal.com/","lj_statprefix":"https://l-stat.livejournal.net","dtalkid":548155518,"etime_ts":null,"thread_url":"https://mi3ch.livejournal.com/4698494.html?thread=548155518#t548155518","above":548155006,"upictitle":"pavsikakiy: pic#114835284","article":"Более развернуто:
"Королю N 13, правившему тогда, как-то вдруг очень не захотелось помирать, так что увещеваний на тему "каждому своё" он не слушал. И с тех пор все нуменорские короли с приближением старости мечтали отдалить время смерти, да и остальные жители тоже переняли эти настроения. Самым подлым образом они хотели жить, а когда всё же помирали, то обижались при этом чрезвычайно."","noid":null,"poster":"mi3ch","stime":"today","below":null,"ctime":"January 4 2020, 11:28:09 UTC","deleted_poster":null,"massactions":0,"deleted":0,"etime":null,"ctime_ts":1578137289,"subclass":null,"suspended":null,"margin":30,"leafclass":null,"is_best":0,"tracked":0},{"userpic":"https://l-userpic.livejournal.com/124598635/70601900","uname":"djatlov_y","loaded":1,"statprefix":"https://l-stat.livejournal.net","deepLevel":0,"talkid":2141233,"controls":null,"siteroot":"https://www.livejournal.com","ipaddr":null,"parent":0,"subject":"","is_promo":0,"username":[{"journal_url":"https://djatlov-y.livejournal.com/","striked":null,"journaltype":"P","userhead_url":"https://l-stat.livejournal.net/img/userinfo_v8.svg?v=17080?v=372","color":null,"noctxpopup":0,"side_alias":0,"journal":"djatlov_y","inline_css":0,"attrs":null,"is_identity":0,"bold":1,"show_userhead":1,"username":"djatlov_y","user_alias":"","profile_url":"https://djatlov-y.livejournal.com/profile","alias":0}],"thread":548155774,"level":1,"dname":"djatlov_y","shown":1,"collapsed":0,"actions":[{"allowed":1,"href":"https://mi3ch.livejournal.com/4698494.html?replyto=548155774","name":"reply","title":"Reply","footer":1},{"allowed":1,"href":"https://mi3ch.livejournal.com/4698494.html?thread=548155774#t548155774","name":"permalink","title":"link"},{"allowed":1,"href":"https://mi3ch.livejournal.com/4698494.html?thread=548155774#t548155774","name":"collapse","title":"Collapse"},{"allowed":1,"href":"https://mi3ch.livejournal.com/4698494.html?thread=548155774#t548155774","name":"expand","title":"Expand"}],"p_tracked":0,"commenter_journal_base":"https://djatlov-y.livejournal.com/","lj_statprefix":"https://l-stat.livejournal.net","dtalkid":548155774,"etime_ts":null,"thread_url":"https://mi3ch.livejournal.com/4698494.html?thread=548155774#t548155774","above":null,"upictitle":"Юрий Дятлов: pic#124598635","article":"1. В каком-то художественном произведении персонаж загадал себе вечную жизнь. Ему напомнили предположительный срок существования Солнечной системы и разрешили передумать. Вечная жизнь, в ходе которой сколько-то миллиардов лет придётся жариться на периферии красного карлика, а потом висеть в вакууме - не самый приятный вариант. Собственно, материя в её нынешнем виде во Вселенной будет существовать не вечно. Это для нас, с привычным горизонтом в десятки лет, что миллион, что миллиард, что триллион - одинаково в непредставимом отдалении.

2. Собственно, вечная жизнь - вполне представимый этап, и довольно близкий по техническим возможностям. Просто не в этом биологическом теле. Оцифровка сознания, запуск на эмуляторе в каком-то суперкомпьютере и развитие там - без усталости, без трат времени на отдых, сон, еду, с максимальной скоростью работы сознания. А при необходимости - выращивание нового биотела (возможно - клон нынешнего, возможно - другое) и перезапись туда. Погулял и опять в компьютер - обрабатывать новые впечатления. Ну и бекапы не забывать.

3. С философски-теоретической точки зрения - а что мы хотим сохранить-то? Амёбе проще - у неё нет самосознания, она не думает, будет после деления каждая из новых амёб помнить то, что помнит амёба-предок, или нет. Куст смородины тоже черенкованием размножается и в какой-то мере бессмертен. Но с тем же ограничением: ему пофиг, он не отличает себя от своего потомка. Человек хочет сохранить не биологическое тело (оно, кстати, обновляется, и есть вероятность, что в моём теле практически нет тех атомов, которые составляли тело меня-новорожденного). Человек хочет сохранить набор воспоминаний - я считаю себя тем же, если я могу вспомнить о себе-тогдашнем. Если не могу (амнезия после травмы, ничего не помню) - это уже новый человек. Которому, когда воспоминания вернутся, придётся как-то объединяться с прежним, что не всегда легко. Причём набор воспоминаний не о фактах - их можно и заново вычитать, а о своём эмоциональном восприятии этих фактов... Какое, нафиг, бессмертие, когда трёхлетний пацан, шестнадцатилетний парень, сорокалетний дядя и старый дед в маразме - это совершенно разные личности, несмотря на юридически зафиксированный факт, что человек один и тот же?

Соответственно: можно считать "своим продолжением в будущее" своих детей. Но если на биологическом уровне - как-то это примитивно и мало чем лучше амёбы. Передать знания и связанные с ними эмоции, оценки, мысли, продолжить существование своей личности... Первый, давно известный способ: воспитать этих детей (не только родных - и учеников набрать). Передать им свои ценности и установки, снабдить знаниями. Создать личности, которые будут продолжением твоей. Ну, в принципе, получается. Как-то, в какой-то мере. Следующий этап: записать всё, что считаешь нужным оставить. Книга, фильм, разработка... Ещё дальше - упомянутое выше копирование всего сознания в компьютерную форму. В принципе, может, впоследствии получится и восстанавливать сознание тех, кто жил раньше и не успел записаться. Если, конечно, тогдашнему человечеству это будет интересно. Собственно, если да - это будет то самое предсказанное религией воскрешение мёртвых.","noid":null,"poster":"mi3ch","stime":"today","below":null,"ctime":"January 4 2020, 11:35:58 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насекомое","article":"Разумеется, лучше пытаться жить вечно, если разум позволяет продолжать действовать целесообразно.

Ведь опыт смерти всё-равно неизбежен, хотя бы в силу фатальной неудачи или неотвратимого катаклизма.

А вот уйма другого опыта постоянно ускользает, в значительной мере - из-за краткости жизни.
В результате, потенциал конкретного индивидуума зачастую реализуется не полностью.

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