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Итак, как было сказано в прошлом посте , страх перед гипотетической «культурной революцией» одновременно и «сцементировал» советскую номенклатуру, превратив рыхлый – до определенного времени – социальный слой в монолитный «квазикласс». (Т.е., в социальный слой, действующий, как господствующий класс, но при этом классом не являющийся.) Подобное изменение, понятное дело, оказалось крайне неблагоприятным не только потому, что привело к накоплению реальных проблем в стране. (Поскольку «квазикласс», по определению, не желает заниматься этим проблемами: у него, как и у любого правящего класса, существуют только свои собственные интересы.) Но и потому, что данное изменение, по существу, сломало возможность построения в стране полностью неотчужденного общества – т.е., коммунизма.

Ведь как было до этого: в советском обществе – обществе бесклассовом, однако сохраняющим отчуждение труда – неизбежно возникали т.н. «локусы будущего». Сиречь – проявления низкоотчужденного общественного устройства, которые в обычном, классовом мире обычно подавляются имеющимися механизмами классового отчуждения. В обществе же советском они, напротив, развивались и расширялись. Как, скажем, обстояло дело с тем же «Миром Понедельника» — т.е., разного рода научными и техническими коллективами, занимающимися высокотехнологичными задачами. Поскольку реально они начали появляться еще в 1920-1930 годы – скажем, знаменитый ГИРД был именно подобным локусом – однако наибольшего расцвета подобная форма организации достигла во второй половине 1950-1960 годах. (Сами Стругацкие основывались на опыте работы Бориса в Пулковской обсерватории 1957 года.)

Кстати, на судьбе упомянутого ГИРДа – «развернувшегося» в 1933 году в Реактивный научно-исследовательский институт (на самом деле, разумеется, дело обстояло гораздо сложнее, но сути это не меняет) – можно прекрасно увидеть тот факт, что власть советской номенклатуры в ССС никогда не была всеобъемлющей. Скорее наоборот – она оставляла достаточно свободы для конструктивной деятельности – но именно для конструктивной. Когда в подобных локусах «заводилась деструкция», ситуация резко менялась. Скажем, тот же Реактивный Институт был буквально разгромлен именно благодря начавшейся в нем активной «карьерной деятельности» некоторых работников. (Сиречь, благодаря массовому написанию доносов людьми, желающими занять руководящие места. Личности тут, разумеется, опустим, скажем лишь, что произошло это именно тогда, когда данный Институт стал солидным и хорошо финансируемым учреждением.)

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Собственно, именно указанное «обострение карьеризма» — вызванное одновременно и указанным переходом «советских стартапов» в разряд «солидных учреждений», и начавшимся сокращением «ресурсной базы» в связи с приближающейся войной – и стало главным источником тех деструктивных процессов конца 1930 годов, которые сейчас принято связывать со «сталинскими репрессиями». Хотя на самом деле как раз «разборки» среди верхушки советской номенклатуры имели к указанным поцессам весьма опосредованное отношение – уже указанное «сокращение доступных ресурсов» было много важнее. (То есть, «громил» советские КБ и инстутиты не «кровавый Сталин» лично – а накопившиеся в этих самых КБ и институтах карьеристы, желающие использовать происходящее в своих целях.)

Впрочем, обо всем этом надо говорить отдельно. Тут же можно только сказать то, что даже в довоенное время в обществе существовали очевидные «островки» низкоотчужденных отношений, в которых работали не рад условной зарплаты – а ради реализации иных целей. (В основное – создания высокотехнологичных конструкций и систем.) В послевоенное же время – особенно во второй половине 1950 -1960 годах, когда ограничения в имеющихся ресурсах спало – эти самые «локусы будущего» стали банальностью, распространившись на многие отрасли. (Кстати, при указанной «неограниченности ресурсов» выполнение своих функций данными «локусами» в ССС происходило на порядок дешевле, нежели в США или Европе.) Что давало реальную возможность к дальнейшему распространению данной системы отношений на всю остальную экономику – с соответствующим изменением в жизни страны.

Этот процесс показывает, что пресловутое «всевластие номенклатуры» было довольно условно(  Read more…Collapse  )

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Так и вижу, как советские инженеры превратились бы в хунвейбинов. Хотя да, закручивание гаек брежневским руководством не довело до добра.

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Я не о статье в целом, слишком много букв.
Я вот об этой фразе.
для Китая «Культурная революция» сыграла довольно однозначную роль – в плане создания текущей социально-экономической системы.
Бог мой, какая чушь!
Нынешний Китай никак не связан с "культурной революцией". Как раз наоборот - многие из творцов китайского "нового курса" были репрессированы в те годы. Тот же Дэн Сяопин во время "культурной революции" был снят со всех постов и направлен в провинцию простым рабочим на завод, а его сына после пыток убили безо всякого суда.
И Дэн Сяопин начинал свои реформы с партийной чистки, в ходе которой в массовом порядке исключались из КПК именно те, кто сделал карьеру в 60-е годы. Кого не исключили, того задвинули подальше, как, например, Хуа Гофэна.
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Слово "хунвейбин" означает "красный охранник", а не "коммунар".
Автор имеет достаточно смутное представление об истории КНР.
начался рост зарплат – который, в конечном итоге, стал причиной пресловутого дефицита.
Рост зарплат (как и снижение цен) мало связан с причинами дефицита. Если человек покупает в год пару ботинок, то как хочешь повысь ему зарплату, он не будет покупать десять пар. Если покупал в день батон хлеба, то он не будет покупать два батона. Дефицит при социализме имел совсем другие корни. 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Как известно, военное руководство России всегда негативно относилось к этой новации Б.Н. Ельцина. Для Кремля, по соображениям престижа было важно, что бы именно Вашингтон инициировал выход России из договора. И, наконец-то, стремясь получить поддержку от Путина на ноябрьских выборах президента США, Трамп выполнил пожелание Москвы.","noid":null,"poster":"anlazz","stime":"today","below":null,"ctime":"May 22 2020, 17:29:23 UTC","deleted_poster":null,"massactions":0,"deleted":0,"etime":null,"ctime_ts":1590168563,"subclass":null,"suspended":null,"margin":0,"leafclass":null,"is_best":0,"tracked":0},{"userpic":null,"uname":"ahiir","loaded":1,"statprefix":"https://l-stat.livejournal.net","deepLevel":0,"talkid":182775,"controls":null,"siteroot":"https://www.livejournal.com","ipaddr":null,"parent":0,"subject":"","is_promo":0,"username":[{"journal_url":"https://ahiir.livejournal.com/","striked":null,"journaltype":"P","userhead_url":"https://l-stat.livejournal.net/img/userinfo_v8.svg?v=17080?v=404.1","color":null,"noctxpopup":0,"side_alias":0,"journal":"ahiir","inline_css":0,"attrs":null,"is_identity":0,"bold":1,"show_userhead":1,"username":"ahiir","user_alias":"","profile_url":"https://ahiir.livejournal.com/profile","alias":0}],"thread":46790487,"level":1,"dname":"ahiir","shown":1,"collapsed":0,"actions":[{"allowed":1,"href":"https://anlazz.livejournal.com/496983.html?replyto=46790487","name":"reply","title":"Reply","footer":1},{"allowed":1,"href":"https://anlazz.livejournal.com/496983.html?thread=46790487#t46790487","name":"permalink","title":"link"},{"allowed":1,"href":"https://anlazz.livejournal.com/496983.html?thread=46790487#t46790487","name":"collapse","title":"Collapse"},{"allowed":1,"href":"https://anlazz.livejournal.com/496983.html?thread=46790487#t46790487","name":"expand","title":"Expand"}],"p_tracked":0,"commenter_journal_base":"https://ahiir.livejournal.com/","lj_statprefix":"https://l-stat.livejournal.net","dtalkid":46790487,"etime_ts":null,"thread_url":"https://anlazz.livejournal.com/496983.html?thread=46790487#t46790487","above":null,"upictitle":"ahiir: pic#0","article":"ПОЛВЕКА назад появилась брошюра Андрея Амальрика "Просуществует ли ССС до 1984 года?".
Формально дожил. Фактически сгнил на корню. К концу правления Брежнева был полный застой,
отстой и маразм. Андропов попытался что-то изменить. Возможно, имея за спиной авторитетную
организацию - КГБ, какие-то изменения удались бы. Уменьшилась бы расхлябанность, ввели хозрасчет
в промышленности и сельском хозяйстве, повысив ответственность за конечный результат работы.

Но болел. Успел только насмешить с ловлей прогульщиков в банях и кинотеатрах. Сменил его Костя
Черненко. Наступил постмаразм. На верх власти вернулись пердуны брежневских времен. Год Черненко -
материалы для сарказма, фельетонов, пасквилей и кратких изречений на заборах... Влияние Запада на
распад Советского Союза сильно преувеличено. Как только при Горбачеве ослабли обручи, внешнее давление,
жижа гнилостная расползлась. И слезы лить не о чем. Не было в Союзе высокой нравственности и морали
за пределами собраний, газет, радио и телевидения.

Появление Горбачева породило (впрочем, как и при всякой смене генсека, кроме Черненко) огромные надежды
и доверие. И уж казалось, ниже опускаться некуда. Однако Михаил Сергеевич пробил дно. Беспробудно глупый.Вместо того, чтобы остановиться, подумать (машина катилась по наклонной, держалась на гвоздиках,
веревочках), закричали об ускорении. Нелепая антиалкогольная кампания (в тень ушли миллиарды рублей,
советских, цыганы даже обещали отлить памятник Горбачеву из золота). Однако и веселая. Тогда веселились,
и вспоминают со смехом. В 1987году приняли закон о кооперативах. Вот и конец советской экономике,
промышленности, сельскому хозяйству. Не до производства, все в руках посредников - транжирили ранее
добытое, произведенное, в кооперативы влезли директора, бухгалтеры, прокуроры, судьи, следователи и
комсомольцы всех поколений, жулики всех мастей...

Нужно отметить большое влияние в нашей политике личных отношений, симпатий и неприязни. Горбачев и Ельцин,
позднее Ельцин и Хасбулатов. В 1987 году разошлись дорожки Михаила и Бориса. И как доверчив народ!
Стоило показать Борю в московском троллейбусе - люди онемели от восторга. Этот наш!!

В 1989 году первые новые выборы. Поражение КПСС. Голосовали прежде всего против надоевшей партии.
На первой сессии Верховного Совета было много прокурорских выступлений (от Афанасьева, Юрия Власова
до Яковлева) - обвиняли КПСС. В начале июня, в последний день работы вспомнили о пакте Молотова-
Риббентропа. Важнейший момент. Но иные депутаты кричали, что у них уже куплены билеты на поезд,
депутаты-женщины поворачивались к трибуне от выходов и заявляли: нас ждут дети, у них начались каникулы...

В этот день Горбачев мог стать во главе событий, а не плестись в хвосте... Однако глуп...
Мне представлялось и я тогда об этом писал в "Сельской нови", нужно было обязательно вспомнить Конституцию
ССС и пакт Молтова-Риббентропа в канун 50-летия. Конституция обьявляла каждую союзную республику
суверенным государством, имеющим право выхода из Союза. Следовало предложить разработку документов
по практическому осуществлению этого права, поэтапного процесса. Против этого, думаю, не возразили бы и
всякие ландбергисы и прочие русофобы. Разошлись бы тихо и мирно, не поливая друг друга грязью.

По-моему, не было и нет братских народов. Держался Союз по инерции от сталинского террора. И чуть что,
он развалится... Помню, слушали мы с Андреем Скалоном передачи "Нмецкой волны". У них одна из любимых
тем - воссоединение Германии. Иксперты прогнозировали: через 20, полвека, 100 лет ГД сольется с ФРГ.
Мы посмеивались: как только, так сразу... Мне разумным представлялось перерождение ССС в Содружество
типа британского. Сохранялись бы зоны русского языка и экономическая. Задним числом, по-моему, это для
прибалтийских стран было бы выгоднее, особенно для экономики. Они были бы ведущими, огромный рынок
для сбыта продукции сельского хозяйства... Впрочем, при таком развитии событий не было бы противостояния
с Россией.

Необходимым являлся и разговор о пакте Молотова-Риббентропа. Признание факта, анализ значительно
смягчили бы страсти в Прибалтике накануне юбилея. ..","noid":null,"poster":"anlazz","stime":"today","below":null,"ctime":"May 22 2020, 18:49:17 UTC","deleted_poster":null,"massactions":0,"deleted":0,"etime":null,"ctime_ts":1590173357,"subclass":null,"suspended":null,"margin":0,"leafclass":null,"is_best":0,"tracked":0},{"userpic":null,"uname":"k_r_k","loaded":1,"statprefix":"https://l-stat.livejournal.net","deepLevel":0,"talkid":182776,"controls":null,"siteroot":"https://www.livejournal.com","ipaddr":null,"parent":46790487,"subject":"","is_promo":0,"username":[{"journal_url":"https://k-r-k.livejournal.com/","striked":null,"journaltype":"P","userhead_url":"https://l-stat.livejournal.net/img/userinfo_v8.svg?v=17080?v=404.1","color":null,"noctxpopup":0,"side_alias":0,"journal":"k_r_k","inline_css":0,"attrs":null,"is_identity":0,"bold":1,"show_userhead":1,"username":"k_r_k","user_alias":"","profile_url":"https://k-r-k.livejournal.com/profile","alias":0}],"thread":46790743,"level":2,"dname":"k_r_k","shown":1,"collapsed":0,"actions":[{"allowed":1,"href":"https://anlazz.livejournal.com/496983.html?replyto=46790743","name":"reply","title":"Reply","footer":1},{"allowed":1,"href":"https://anlazz.livejournal.com/496983.html?thread=46790743#t46790743","name":"permalink","title":"link"},{"allowed":1,"href":"https://anlazz.livejournal.com/496983.html?thread=46790743#t46790743","name":"collapse","title":"Collapse"},{"allowed":1,"href":"https://anlazz.livejournal.com/496983.html?thread=46790743#t46790743","name":"expand","title":"Expand"}],"p_tracked":0,"commenter_journal_base":"https://k-r-k.livejournal.com/","lj_statprefix":"https://l-stat.livejournal.net","dtalkid":46790743,"etime_ts":null,"thread_url":"https://anlazz.livejournal.com/496983.html?thread=46790743#t46790743","above":46790487,"upictitle":"k_r_k: pic#0","article":" Мне разумным представлялось перерождение ССС в Содружество
типа британского. Сохранялись бы зоны русского языка и экономическая. Задним числом, по-моему, это для
прибалтийских стран было бы выгоднее, особенно для экономики.
Я бы не сказал, что прибалтийские страны больше повинны в дезинтеграции постсоветского пространства, чем, скажем, среднеазиатские.
Не больше.
Ландсбергис, конечно, русофоб, мать его... А вот Назарбаев наш союзник, в НАТО не вступает. Но я лично знаю десятки семей, сбежавших из Казахстана, и только одного уехавшего из Прибалтики. Да и то он вернулся в родной Ярославль.
Причём знакомые мне беженцы из Казахстана - это не только русские. Это и хохлы, и немцы, и корейцы, и татары.
Тем не менее, у нас всё больше о Прибалтике, когда речь о русофобии. А вот союзников по ЕАЭС и ОДКБ трогать не принято.
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